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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Piroshki and borsht! Mmm, boy! Do I miss the old Russian neighborhood at >>6th >>and Clement in SF. It’s gone now. >   You must be even older than me.  I’ve been in San Fran since 1971 > and don’t remember a Russian neighborhood there.  It’s been mostly > Chinese as long as I recall.  I likely didn’t get out that way much > during my first years in San Fran, though, so maybe there was some > of the Russian ambiance left earlier on. >Yep. This was late 50s into the 70s sometime. 6th and Clement was a small >Russian enclave. It was first populated by emigr

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> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. > –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, > deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That > whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is > the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new > Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its > powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their > Safety and Happiness.

That’s a good idea.  I volunteer to be king of the new one.  You will be very happy and feeling safe.  If you aren’t, you’ll be deported or executed. Good luck with abolishing & re-instituting a large "national government" in these particular times.

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lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: … > Good luck with abolishing & re-instituting a large "national > government" in these particular times.

Jefferson apparently advocated a new grovernment every 40 years or so.  We’re way past that point, and way past the point we could easily toss the whole thing out w/o major carnage and misery that would far outweigh the current set of problems. That said, if you’re unhappy, vote, and consider running for office.

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> Jefferson apparently advocated a new grovernment every > 40 years or so.

Can’t say I’m a J lover but he may’ve been right – it only took about that long for erosion to set in, and a few more for the judicial branch to head south. > We’re way past that point, and way past > the point we could easily toss the whole thing out w/o > major carnage and misery that would far outweigh the > current set of problems.

I thought that’s what I said? At root, we have the issue that human government (any kind) was never the plan for this fair (or unfair) place, was ordained as a necessary evil to preserve order in a fallen world, and is hopelessly flawed on its best day with its best people.  If it only took 40 yrs for everyone to see that, we’d have 2/3 of government problems solved without having to do a thing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: > … >Good luck with abolishing & re-instituting a large "national >government" in these particular times. > Jefferson apparently advocated a new grovernment every > 40 years or so.  We’re way past that point, and way past > the point we could easily toss the whole thing out w/o > major carnage and misery that would far outweigh the > current set of problems. > That said, if you’re unhappy, vote, and consider running > for office.

Or if you’re REALLY unhappy, move to a country that you think does it better.

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> Or if you’re REALLY unhappy, move to a country that you think does it > better.

One wonders whether knee-jerk cliches ever get old?  In my case I’ve already done that a few times.  Most all are better in some ways and worse in others, as anyone who’s lived internationally will say. I also don’t mind telling you for sinking to this, that had I not moved back from northern Europe for the things I held dear here at high cost, I’d be quite a rich & powerful man today, and all of those things are history here now. (not that northern Europe is so great now, either, it is starting to stink all over the planet)  You picked the wrong guy to toss that to – I’ve sacrficed & forsaken a lot more to be here than you have.  And no, I wouldn’t do it again, chum.  If I wanted to live in national socialism & corporate facism among ignorant bastards with one-line solutions for others, I’d do it where there is 800 years of culture, pay is much higher, privacy is better, most things are of higher quality, men act, think & look like men and women act, think & look like women, the people forge friendships very slowly but keep them loyally for life, and they all admit to what they are living in as well as reap its benefits instead of making believe it is something else. You don’t know how poor & backward you really are, and it is easy to see why they think we are all Yankee savages.  Yes, they have their problems and blind spots and even their arrogance & idiot politics, too.  But you are by no means better off.

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> Or if you’re REALLY unhappy, move to a country that you think does it > better. > One wonders whether knee-jerk cliches ever get old?

And then you go on about sacrificing more than anyone and living abroad. WTF is your point? I’ve shoveled dirt in my life, and boy let me tell you about your working man, brother.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: >> … >>>Good luck with abolishing & re-instituting a large "national >>>government" in these particular times. >> Jefferson apparently advocated a new grovernment every >> 40 years or so.  We’re way past that point, and way past >> the point we could easily toss the whole thing out w/o >> major carnage and misery that would far outweigh the >> current set of problems. >> That said, if you’re unhappy, vote, and consider running >> for office.

Consider running for office is easier said then done. How many people, other that rich lawyers and independently well off people can even consider taking time off from their normal jobs? For campaigning alone? Much less if you get elected. There should be a law that every tom, dick, and harry has the freedom to run for elected office, with no work induced penalties.  You make it to prez, for 4 or 8 years, you get to come back to your job. This *just* ain’t gonna happen in Corporate America. Sad but True.. So that’s why we have the government we do. I don’t care if it’s donkey’s or elephants or white sheep.  It just doesn’t matter, it ain’t gonna happen. I would *love* to get in to local politics.. Why, these people we have are idiots. They don’t listen to voters. 1) I don’t have the money to mount a campaign. 2) I don’t have the time to take away from my job.

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> And then you go on about sacrificing more than anyone and living abroad.

Can’t you read?  Nowhere did I claim to have sacrificed more than "anyone", bozo.  The singular poster to whom I responded is not "anyone", he is a specific & real human being. > WTF > is your point? I’ve shoveled dirt in my life, and boy let me tell you about > your working man, brother.

What is yours?  Are you the famous Manuel Labore?  Show up with a shovel, pick, crowbar & sledge, and I’ll put you to shame digging straight trenches to specification by hand in bony ground.  Then we’ll go logging in August & see how long you last in the woods.  If you bring your backhoe I’ll pick your nose with it.  :-) Frank Mainahh

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> I would *love* to get in to local politics…

Are you sure?  Local politics is more dangerous and complex than anything that happens in Washington…

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boy howdy – I, well nev_ER mind – as Gilda used to say.

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>>Or if you’re REALLY unhappy, move to a country that you think does it >better. > One wonders whether knee-jerk cliches ever get old?  In my case I’ve > already done that a few times.  Most all are better in some ways and > worse in others, as anyone who’s lived internationally will say.

Me included.  And there ARE US ex-pats choosing to live and stay… > I also don’t mind telling you for sinking to this, that had I not moved > back from northern Europe for the things I held dear here at high cost, > I’d be quite a rich & powerful man today, and all of those things are > history here now.

I’ve traveled abroad for over 40 yrs. And lived abroad many years. I see changes both at home and abroad.  The USA is still the place to live… for me. > (not that northern Europe is so great now, either, it > is starting to stink all over the planet)  

It wasn’t all that great before.  Nice, quaint, but not really *great*. > You picked the wrong guy to > toss that to – I’ve sacrficed & forsaken a lot more to be here than you > have.

Really..???  And, how much have I sacrificed and forsaken..?? >  And no, I wouldn’t do it again, chum.  

Do what..???  Live abroad..???  Or come back to the USA..? ? ? > If I wanted to live in > national socialism & corporate facism among ignorant bastards with > one-line solutions for others, I’d do it where there is 800 years of > culture, pay is much higher, privacy is better, most things are of > higher quality, men act, think & look like men and women act, think & > look like women, the people forge friendships very slowly but keep them > loyally for life, and they all admit to what they are living in as well > as reap its benefits instead of making believe it is something else.

Ummm… ok.  In that 800 years of *culture* don’t forget the burnings at the stake, the Inquisitions, the incessant wars, the holocaust, etc,etc..etc…  there is a lot of *Culture* the Europeans would rather forget about.  Though they DO make great cheese, beer, wine… and pastries… You want multi-line solutions..??  Ok, quit whining about shit and do something about the problems you see here. It’s never, ever too late to move, or do the things you wish you could’ve or should’ve done… do them. Life is short.. move where you think you’ll get the best quality of life. Don’t wait and then *wish* later that you’d done it. Whatever you *gave up* by moving back must not have been THAT important so don’t whine about it or have regrets.  That you HAD stayed in Europe and become a rich and powerful man, you may have become very unhappy… or maybe not so rich and powerful. whatever. Everybody has plenty of "..if I’d done this, and that, I’d be rich and happy" stories.  Whatever you gave up to move back, is meaningless at this point. It’s *gone*, time behind you. Forget it and do something NOW that you want to do.  If Europe is better… go. Friendship..???  You’re entitled to your opinions. But, IME you missed a lot. *privacy*…??  IMMHO, you’re completely wrong on the privacy issue. Simply put, for how many years that I can remember, a PASSPORT was required to check into ANY accommodations in Europe. Only recently (historically speaking) has this changed. Borders..??  You could ALWAYS drive across every state line in the country.. (thousands of miles in each direction) without showing any ID.  In Europe it WAS (for years) impossible to go in/out of any country (a couple hundred miles usually) without showing PASSPORTS/VISAS… > You don’t know how poor & backward you really are, and it is easy to > see why they think we are all Yankee savages.  

On the contrary, I know just how *poor* I am (relatively speaking I’m not poor in the least) and backward ( I’m old-fashioned I suppose… ) and *they* DON’T all think we are Yankee savages.  Your statement shows that your travel abroad and interaction with people in foreign lands is limited at best. > Yes, they have their problems and blind spots and even their arrogance & idiot politics, > too.  

Which IMMHO are worse than ours…  they are trying their hardest these days to come up with a *union* (dare I say *Republic*..??) similar to ours, in order to realize their *potential* economically… Maybe it’s their 800 years of "culture" and nationalism that is making this *union* such a tough go…? ? ? > But you are by no means better off.

Sure I am.  My freedoms are greater, my opportunity is greater, *my* country is bigger, *my* economy is stronger, *my* military is stronger, *my* rock and roll is better (just kidding), *my* universities are better and *I’ve* got more of them, *my* space program is better, *my* agriculture production is better, *my* country gives more to charity (both govt and private), *my* medical services (although expensive) are better, *my* wine is better (alas, generally the beer is not..:-(  ) Me thinks you are speaking "generally" when you say "you" in that statement… not *me* particularly…eh..???  Because me personally..??  I’m WAY better off..! ! ! gtski //Currently planning another fall trip BACK to the *continent*..// :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: > … >>Good luck with abolishing & re-instituting a large "national >>government" in these particular times. > Jefferson apparently advocated a new grovernment every > 40 years or so.  We’re way past that point, and way past > the point we could easily toss the whole thing out w/o > major carnage and misery that would far outweigh the > current set of problems. > That said, if you’re unhappy, vote, and consider running > for office. > Or if you’re REALLY unhappy, move to a country

that you think does it > better.

Damn, if we could just deport all the morons like Dimtski, imagine how much the country would improve overnight.

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[snip] > I’ve traveled abroad for over 40 yrs. And lived

abroad many years. I > see changes both at home and abroad.  The USA is still the place to > live… for me.

Looks like gtwitski has joined his liar/denier buddy, Fearlars on a few expeditions to Mars. Yeah….right…admit it, gtwitski, you’ve never been anywhere but Dumfukistan, Tenn. yer whole hickoided life. > (not that northern Europe is so great now, either, it > is starting to stink all over the planet) > It wasn’t all that great before.  Nice, quaint,

but not really *great*. Wow, such a vivid imagination coming from a retard. Bloody amazing! > You picked the wrong guy to > toss that to – I’ve sacrficed & forsaken a lot

more to be here than you > have. > Really..???  And, how much have I sacrificed and forsaken..?? >  And no, I wouldn’t do it again, chum. > Do what..???  Live abroad..???  Or come back to the USA..? ? ? > If I wanted to live in > national socialism & corporate facism among

ignorant bastards with > one-line solutions for others, I’d do it where

there is 800 years of > culture, pay is much higher, privacy is

better, most things are of > higher quality, men act, think & look like men

and women act, think & > look like women, the people forge friendships

very slowly but keep them > loyally for life, and they all admit to what

they are living in as well > as reap its benefits instead of making believe

it is something else. > Ummm… ok.  In that 800 years of *culture*

don’t forget the burnings > at the stake, the Inquisitions, the incessant

wars, the holocaust, > etc,etc..etc…  there is a lot of *Culture* the Europeans would > rather forget about.  Though they DO make great

cheese, beer, wine… > and pastries…

Ha ha ha, now gtwitski poses as an European history expert. Garsh, what kind of genius stuff is he going to come up with next? > You want multi-line solutions..??  Ok, quit

whining about shit and do > something about the problems you see here. It’s

never, ever too late > to move, or do the things you wish you could’ve

or should’ve done… > do them. Life is short.. move where you think you’ll get the best > quality of life. Don’t wait and then *wish*

later that you’d done it. > Whatever you *gave up* by moving back must not have been THAT > important so don’t whine about it or have

regrets.  That you HAD > stayed in Europe and become a rich and powerful man, you may have > become very unhappy… or maybe not so rich and powerful. whatever. > Everybody has plenty of "..if I’d done this, and

that, I’d be rich and > happy" stories.  Whatever you gave up to move

back, is meaningless at > this point. It’s *gone*, time behind you. Forget it and do something > NOW that you want to do.  If Europe is better… go. > Friendship..???  You’re entitled to your

opinions. But, IME you missed > a lot. > *privacy*…??  IMMHO, you’re completely wrong

on the privacy issue. > Simply put, for how many years that I can

remember, a PASSPORT was > required to check into ANY accommodations in

Europe. Only recently > (historically speaking) has this changed.

Borders..??  You could > ALWAYS drive across every state line in the

country.. (thousands of > miles in each direction) without showing any ID. In Europe it WAS > (for years) impossible to go in/out of any

country (a couple hundred > miles usually) without showing

PASSPORTS/VISAS… Wow! An overly lengthy homily, Ann Landers style. Gtwitski must’ve mind-melded with Fearlars while they were on those Mars expeditions. What sheer genius and profundity. Whooo! > You don’t know how poor & backward you really

are, and it is easy to > see why they think we are all Yankee savages. > On the contrary, I know just how *poor* I am

(relatively speaking I’m > not poor in the least) and backward ( I’m

old-fashioned I suppose… ) > and *they* DON’T all think we are Yankee

savages.  Your statement > shows that your travel abroad and interaction

with people in foreign > lands is limited at best.

Gtwitski is a mind-reader of Europeans too? Are you trying to hump everyone’s leg with that, gtwitski? Come on, since when does a retard learn how to read minds, much less write an advice column or take trips to Mars? I think you are going just a little too far claiming you can read minds, but I’ll grant you the other stuff even if it’s completely implausible for retard like you to even know how to type. > Yes, they have their problems and blind spots

and even their arrogance & idiot politics, > too. > Which IMMHO are worse than ours…  they are

trying their hardest > these days to come up with a *union* (dare I say *Republic*..??) > similar to ours, in order to realize their

*potential* economically… > Maybe it’s their 800 years of "culture" and

nationalism that is making > this *union* such a tough go…? ? ? > But you are by no means better off. > Sure I am.  My freedoms are greater, my

opportunity is greater, *my* > country is bigger, *my* economy is stronger, *my* military is > stronger, *my* rock and roll is better (just kidding), *my* > universities are better and *I’ve* got more of them, *my* space > program is better, *my* agriculture production

is better, *my* country > gives more to charity (both govt and private),

*my* medical services > (although expensive) are better, *my* wine is

better (alas, generally > the beer is not..:-(  ) > Me thinks you are speaking "generally" when you say "you" in that > statement… not *me* particularly…eh..??? Because me > personally..??  I’m WAY better off..! ! !

Wow, the simian retard expresses a vivid imagination..TWICE in ONE post! It’s a new record, folks! A one in a gajillion improbability and gtwitski accomplished it anyway. Wow indeed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gtwitski > //Currently planning another fall trip BACK to the *continent*..// > :-)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > expresses his retardedness in message > [snip] >I’ve traveled abroad for over 40 yrs. And lived > abroad many years. I >see changes both at home and abroad.  The USA is > still the place to >live… for me. > Looks like gtwitski has joined his liar/denier > buddy, Fearlars > on a few expeditions to Mars. > Yeah….right…admit it, gtwitski, > you’ve never been anywhere but Dumfukistan, Tenn. > yer whole > hickoided life.

Well Ed..! ! !  Always nice to hear from the AGA Village Idiot.. aren’t you on the verge of *finding* me..???  I’ll send your little compliment to all those in Tenn.  Wow, how lucky YOU are to live in the *center of the cultural universe* Nor-lins…! ! ! ! Even YOU know it’s a dirty, crappy city…! ! !    But they *do* put up with jerk-off whack-jobs like you, so it serves a purpose for the rest of the country, I suppose. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>(not that northern Europe is so great now, > either, it >>is starting to stink all over the planet) >It wasn’t all that great before.  Nice, quaint, > but not really *great*. > Wow, such a vivid imagination coming from a > retard. Bloody amazing! >>You picked the wrong guy to >>toss that to – I’ve sacrficed & forsaken a lot > more to be here than you >>have. >Really..???  And, how much have I sacrificed and > forsaken..?? >> And no, I wouldn’t do it again, chum. >Do what..???  Live abroad..???  Or come back to > the USA..? ? ? >>If I wanted to live in >>national socialism & corporate facism among > ignorant bastards with >>one-line solutions for others, I’d do it where > there is 800 years of >>culture, pay is much higher, privacy is > better, most things are of >>higher quality, men act, think & look like men > and women act, think & >>look like women, the people forge friendships > very slowly but keep them >>loyally for life, and they all admit to what > they are living in as well >>as reap its benefits instead of making believe > it is something else. >Ummm… ok.  In that 800 years of *culture* > don’t forget the burnings >at the stake, the Inquisitions, the incessant > wars, the holocaust, >etc,etc..etc…  there is a lot of *Culture* the > Europeans would >rather forget about.  Though they DO make great > cheese, beer, wine… >and pastries… > Ha ha ha, now gtwitski poses as an European > history expert.

Ed you poor twit… while you were jerking off with your only friend in high-school, they taught more European history than you needed to know. So you did the right thing. My expertise concerning European cuisine is centered on my own personal experiences throughout Europe. Sadly, you’ll never get to enjoy the experience. > Garsh, what kind of genius stuff is he going to > come up with next?

Next..??  Why I’ll point out to any noobs here what a disgusting lunitic and pathetic loser you are.  It is refreshing that you’ve stopped whining and crying about "not being understood"… that got old fast.  Are you still phoning people asking to explain yourself – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You want multi-line solutions..??  Ok, quit > whining about shit and do >something about the problems you see here. It’s > never, ever too late >to move, or do the things you wish you could’ve > or should’ve done… >do them. Life is short.. move where you think > you’ll get the best >quality of life. Don’t wait and then *wish* > later that you’d done it. >Whatever you *gave up* by moving back must not > have been THAT >important so don’t whine about it or have > regrets.  That you HAD >stayed in Europe and become a rich and powerful > man, you may have >become very unhappy… or maybe not so rich and > powerful. whatever. >Everybody has plenty of "..if I’d done this, and > that, I’d be rich and >happy" stories.  Whatever you gave up to move > back, is meaningless at >this point. It’s *gone*, time behind you. Forget > it and do something >NOW that you want to do.  If Europe is better… > go. >Friendship..???  You’re entitled to your > opinions. But, IME you missed >a lot. >*privacy*…??  IMMHO, you’re completely wrong > on the privacy issue. >Simply put, for how many years that I can > remember, a PASSPORT was >required to check into ANY accommodations in > Europe. Only recently >(historically speaking) has this changed. > Borders..??  You could >ALWAYS drive across every state line in the > country.. (thousands of >miles in each direction) without showing any ID. > In Europe it WAS >(for years) impossible to go in/out of any > country (a couple hundred >miles usually) without showing > PASSPORTS/VISAS… > Wow! An overly lengthy homily, Ann Landers style. > Gtwitski > must’ve mind-melded with Fearlars while they were > on those > Mars expeditions. What sheer genius and > profundity. Whooo!

Blumby, once you stopped using your usual disgusting profanity, and scatological, homoerotic rantings, your posts have taken on a dreary, repetitive, fifth-grade level *insult* game banality.  You might consider that even *actual* fifth-graders are embarrassed to sound like that in front of adults. So Paisley, consider knocking off the beerskis for awhile and get your meds right, re-form your foil-hat, and pretend to be an adult for awhile.  You might just make a friend, for awhile….  eh.???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>You don’t know how poor & backward you really > are, and it is easy to >>see why they think we are all Yankee savages. >On the contrary, I know just how *poor* I am > (relatively speaking I’m >not poor in the least) and backward ( I’m > old-fashioned I suppose… ) >and *they* DON’T all think we are Yankee > savages.  Your statement >shows that your travel abroad and interaction > with people in foreign >lands is limited at best. > Gtwitski is a mind-reader of Europeans too? > Are you trying to hump everyone’s leg with that, > gtwitski?

Sorry KAPLONK,  your the only leg-humper in the AGA…  called anyone on the phone lately…??? > Come on, since when does a retard learn how to > read minds, > much less write an advice column or take trips to > Mars?

Ed, you’re already ON Mars dude… dust yourself off and pretend to fix an amp. > I think you are going just a little too far > claiming you can > read minds, but I’ll grant you the other stuff > even if it’s > completely implausible for retard like you to even > know > how to type.

Well, typing certainly MUST be a difficult task for you to imagine. Oh, and thanks for "granting me the other stuff"…  whatever THAT is…  you mean, I’m right.  But, of course..! ! !   :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Yes, they have their problems and blind spots > and even their arrogance & idiot politics, >>too. >Which IMMHO are worse than ours…  they are > trying their hardest >these days to come up with a *union* (dare I say > *Republic*..??) >similar to ours, in order to realize their > *potential* economically… >Maybe it’s their 800 years of "culture" and > nationalism that is making >this *union* such a tough go…? ? ? >>But you are by no means better off. >Sure I am.  My freedoms are greater, my > opportunity is greater, *my* >country is bigger, *my* economy is stronger, > *my* military is >stronger, *my* rock and roll is better (just > kidding), *my* >universities are better and *I’ve* got more of > them, *my* space >program is better, *my* agriculture production > is better, *my* country >gives more to charity (both govt and private), > *my* medical services >(although expensive) are better, *my* wine is > better (alas, generally >the beer is not..:-(  ) >Me thinks you are speaking "generally" when you > say "you" in that >statement… not *me* particularly…eh..??? > Because me >personally..??  I’m WAY better off..! ! ! > Wow, the simian retard expresses a vivid > imagination..TWICE > in ONE post! It’s a new record, folks! A one in a > gajillion improbability > and gtwitski accomplished it anyway. Wow indeed.

Ed, we all know how easily you are amazed.  Don’t you have some conspiracy theories to work on…???  Sorry if this thread disturbed your concentration… well, *disturbed* actually describes your normal state, so I should have said "interfered"… Later Elmis… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->gtwitski >//Currently planning another fall trip BACK to > the *continent*..// >:-)

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Ha ha ha ha, gtwitski, AGA’s number one moron who happens to be tied to Lulu Sloppi in more ways than one ponders in public: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Uh, I wonder if by portraying myself as a world traveler, > will everyone recognize my genius? I hate it when they > all confuse my intelligence for a huge lack of any thereof. > Gosh, it makes my brain hurt and this yellow stuff I drink > sure does taste like piss. Life has got to be better than > *this*! Maybe Willy can help me sort it all out… I hope > his tits are available.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>expresses his retardedness in message > Ha ha ha ha, gtwitski, AGA’s number one moron who > happens to be tied to Lulu Sloppi in more ways > than > one ponders in public:

Come now Ed, you’ve exclaimed plenty of your *ponders* in public for years….  why your hesitation now..???  Afraid that folks will see your true sickness..???  Maybe you HAVE been cutting back on the booze..??  Good for you Blumbster..! ! ! Now, does *re-writing* others posts make you feel like a "big-guy"..?? Maybe even a grown-up..?? Ed, without the drinking, you’ll have to find something else to make you feel powerfull… smart… clever.  Just try to be less cruel to the small animals in your neighborhood.

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>Bawhahahaahah, Horney Dog Dees, accused child molester, >Bawhahahaahah. It fligures he would be one of your champions.

Not only that, I send Morris Dees money. It’s obvious that you’re not a responsible conservative; but a hate-mongering personal assasin in the KKK model. Jim Md.

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Thanks JB, try again Jim. or was it only sex? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I doubt we could find in our nation today, men( in public) that exibit the >backbone >these men possessed. > They’re all around us. > How about Morris Dees for example? > Jim > Md.

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>Thanks JB, try again Jim. or was it only sex?

If you accept what Bodine says about people who work for causes that he doesn’t like; then you are just as ignorant as he is. Morris Dees has never been implicated in anything except the highest human activities to stop the KKK and militia groups from his Montgomery, Ala. HQ. His life has been threatened frquently, and several attempts have been made on his and his family’s life. He bankrupted the KKK in court. The militia groups hate him. And all that Bodine can do is manufacture phony charges? He’s lower than whale shit, and that’s really low. Jim Md.

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Sure Jim. un’huh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks JB, try again Jim. or was it only sex? > If you accept what Bodine says about people who work for causes that he > doesn’t like; then you are just as ignorant as he is. > Morris Dees has never been implicated in anything except the highest human > activities to stop the KKK and militia groups from his Montgomery, Ala. HQ. > His life has been threatened frquently, and several attempts have been made > on his and his family’s life. > He bankrupted the KKK in court. > The militia groups hate him. > And all that Bodine can do is manufacture phony charges? > He’s lower than whale shit, and that’s really low. > Jim > Md.

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>Sure Jim. un’huh.

Another moron answer.

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Be good Jim or I’ll sick Cajun on ya. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sure Jim. un’huh. > Another moron answer.

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>I doubt we could find in our nation today, men( in public) that exibit the >backbone >these men possessed.

They’re all around us. How about Morris Dees for example? Jim Md.

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> >I doubt we could find in our nation today, men( in public) that > exibit the backbone these men possessed. > They’re all around us. > How about Morris Dees for example? > Jim > Md.

Love Morris Dees. What a brave man!  Backbone plus> Circe Before you buy.

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I doubt we could find in our nation today, men( in public) that exibit the backbone these men possessed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the > Declaration of Independence? > Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before > they died. > Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. > Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons > captured. > Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary > War. > They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred > honor.  What kind of men were they?  Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. > Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of > means, well educated.  But they signed the Declaration of Independence > knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. > Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships > swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to > pay his debts, and died in rags. > Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his > family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his > family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty > was his reward. > Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, > Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. > At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General > Cornwallis, had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly > urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and > Nelson died bankrupt. > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his > wife, and she died within a few months. > John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 > children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to > waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to > find his wife dead and his children vanished.  A few weeks later he died > from exhaustion and a broken heart. > Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. > Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution.  These were > not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means > and education.  They had security, but they valued liberty more.  Standing > tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this > declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, > we mutually pledge to each > other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."  They gave you and me > a free and independent America. > The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the > Revolutionary War.  We didn’t fight just the British.  We were British > subjects at that time and we fought our own government!  Some of us take > these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. > So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently > thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid. > Remember: freedom is never free! > Author Unkown

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Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.  What kind of men were they?  Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated.  But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis, had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.  A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution.  These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education.  They had security, but they valued liberty more.  Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."  They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War.  We didn’t fight just the British.  We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!  Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free! Author Unkown

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> nope.  it was so great to go to a parade, surrounded by people and not > have to figure out where i would go smoke.  or last night at the ball > park (iowa cubs, triple A franchise for Chicago) and not have to leave > the stadium for a cig. > this is what i enjoy the most about being an ex-smoker. > sue

Yeeeee-Haaaaawww!!!!! It is SO much easier to do things without smoking!!  I just went to a baseball game too, Sue–and I almost couldn’t believe how often I used to have to go outside and smoke.  You can’t even see the game from out there.  I used to hear the great plays.  Sheesh.  I might as well have been sitting at home listening on the radio!! Besides, baseball games are great.  I’m sitting there eating sunflower seeds and just spitting the shells wherever the hell I want to.  Woo-hoo! Oh, and my team is having the best season in 100 years AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE SEATTLE MARINERS ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!! I might even go to a world series game.  And if I do, you can bet you sweet ass I’m gonna feel sorry for all the folks that miss action so they can perpetuate their tobacco addiction. -jw

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>Besides, baseball games are great.  I’m sitting there eating sunflower >seeds and just spitting the shells wherever the hell I want to.  Woo-hoo!

So you’re the son of a b*tch who was spitting them into my hair. It took days to pick those f*ckers out. ;) Nicole SA #4  QOF+  f3as3  Four months, four weeks, one day, 4 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds. 5221 cigarettes not smoked, saving $929.20. Time I can spend with my little one that I wouldn’t have if I were smoking: 2 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes. If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly thankful… you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.

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Anyone else have a slight trigger with the outside picnic festivities? Just didn’t feel right without the smoke. Bren Eleven months, four days, 1 hour, 25 minutes and 19 seconds. 5070 cigarettes not smoked, saving $727.67. Life saved: 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes.

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> Anyone else have a slight trigger with the outside picnic festivities? > Just didn’t feel right without the smoke. > Bren > Eleven months, four days, 1 hour, 25 minutes and 19 seconds. 5070 cigarettes > not smoked, saving $727.67. Life saved: 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 30 > minutes.

nope.  it was so great to go to a parade, surrounded by people and not have to figure out where i would go smoke.  or last night at the ball park (iowa cubs, triple A franchise for Chicago) and not have to leave the stadium for a cig. this is what i enjoy the most about being an ex-smoker. sue

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Blonde days are fun!  ;-) ~August <has no idea how to spell that Phili/Fili word>

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Paula" wrote … > > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July > right over to the 5th?  ;-) > ~August > LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been corrected > for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s who spell it > Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… > I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… > Paula > Obviously having a very blonde day!!!!

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all revolutionaries! (liberals and activists) — read and post daily, it works! rosie  "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that  we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic  and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." http://www.unitedforpeace.org

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Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Blonde days are fun!  ;-) > ~August > <has no idea how to spell that Phili/Fili word> > > "Paula" wrote … > > > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the > > July right over to the 5th?  ;-) > > ~August > LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been > corrected for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s > who spell it Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… > I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… > Paula > Obviously having a very blonde day!!!!

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> Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun.

Hmmm Is that a blonde a day downloaded? Or in real life? Paula Giving Eddie a "hard" time…

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>>Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun. > Hmmm > Is that a blonde a day downloaded? Or in real life? > Paula > Giving Eddie a "hard" time…

LOL! — http://home.earthlink.net/~goddessxena/index.htm http://www.unknownnews.net

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>                4th of July is here again. >Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the >declaration of Independence? >When was the last time you looked at the Declaration of Independence ?

When was the last time you looked at the signatures.     To start with the essay you posted has a few names spelled wrong–  But they don’t really matter- What matters is that the ‘history’ it portrays is just not true. No signers were killed by the British.   I have found no evidence that any signer was pursued because he signed the Declaration.   [Richard Stockton was probably imprisoned because he was in Congress, but he was released in a couple weeks when he signed a copy of 'Howe's Declaration'.   All of the others who were captured were military prisoners of war & treated as such.] I go through it [and several other similar tales] line by line on my site. [look under the 'Harvey' link for that one] http://home.nycap.rr.com/elbrecht/signers/signerindex.html . There is an accurate essay at http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/BG1451.cfm . Snopes debunks the same version at http://tinyurl.com/fnm4 . Jim

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Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but I hope all you American’s have fun! When I was a very young 20 (sigh) I flew to the States for my first trip, and was being driven from the airport to where I was going to be staying in San Diego…suddenly, all around us, fireworks started going off. I had no idea it was 4th July, or even what 4th July was! I kinda half thought the fireworks were either for me <grin> or something that happened every night! Paula

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"Paula" wrote … > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but

Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July right over to the 5th?  ;-) ~August

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> "Paula" wrote … > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July > right over to the 5th?  ;-) > ~August

LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been corrected for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s who spell it Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… Paula Obviously having a very blonde day!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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                4th of July is here again. Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the declaration of Independence? When was the last time you looked at the Declaration of Independence ? I keep a little red booklet close at hand, near my chair in the family room — it contains the The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States along with the Amendments thereto — just in case I feel like refreshing my memory or checking on something that comes over the news networks that doesn’t sound quite right !  If you’ve never noticed or paid much attention to it, at the very end of the Declaration is a powerful statement made by these signers, and which usually isn’t mentioned or ever given much fanfare — but which I consider to be the most important statement made by them in the entire Declaration — it goes like this:     "— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free!

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> nope.  it was so great to go to a parade, surrounded by people and not > have to figure out where i would go smoke.  or last night at the ball > park (iowa cubs, triple A franchise for Chicago) and not have to leave > the stadium for a cig. > this is what i enjoy the most about being an ex-smoker. > sue

Yeeeee-Haaaaawww!!!!! It is SO much easier to do things without smoking!!  I just went to a baseball game too, Sue–and I almost couldn’t believe how often I used to have to go outside and smoke.  You can’t even see the game from out there.  I used to hear the great plays.  Sheesh.  I might as well have been sitting at home listening on the radio!! Besides, baseball games are great.  I’m sitting there eating sunflower seeds and just spitting the shells wherever the hell I want to.  Woo-hoo! Oh, and my team is having the best season in 100 years AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE SEATTLE MARINERS ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!! I might even go to a world series game.  And if I do, you can bet you sweet ass I’m gonna feel sorry for all the folks that miss action so they can perpetuate their tobacco addiction. -jw

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>Besides, baseball games are great.  I’m sitting there eating sunflower >seeds and just spitting the shells wherever the hell I want to.  Woo-hoo!

So you’re the son of a b*tch who was spitting them into my hair. It took days to pick those f*ckers out. ;) Nicole SA #4  QOF+  f3as3  Four months, four weeks, one day, 4 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds. 5221 cigarettes not smoked, saving $929.20. Time I can spend with my little one that I wouldn’t have if I were smoking: 2 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes. If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly thankful… you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.

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Anyone else have a slight trigger with the outside picnic festivities? Just didn’t feel right without the smoke. Bren Eleven months, four days, 1 hour, 25 minutes and 19 seconds. 5070 cigarettes not smoked, saving $727.67. Life saved: 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes.

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> Anyone else have a slight trigger with the outside picnic festivities? > Just didn’t feel right without the smoke. > Bren > Eleven months, four days, 1 hour, 25 minutes and 19 seconds. 5070 cigarettes > not smoked, saving $727.67. Life saved: 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 30 > minutes.

nope.  it was so great to go to a parade, surrounded by people and not have to figure out where i would go smoke.  or last night at the ball park (iowa cubs, triple A franchise for Chicago) and not have to leave the stadium for a cig. this is what i enjoy the most about being an ex-smoker. sue

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Blonde days are fun!  ;-) ~August <has no idea how to spell that Phili/Fili word>

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Paula" wrote … > > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July > right over to the 5th?  ;-) > ~August > LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been corrected > for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s who spell it > Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… > I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… > Paula > Obviously having a very blonde day!!!!

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all revolutionaries! (liberals and activists) — read and post daily, it works! rosie  "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that  we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic  and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." http://www.unitedforpeace.org

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Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Blonde days are fun!  ;-) > ~August > <has no idea how to spell that Phili/Fili word> > > "Paula" wrote … > > > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the > > July right over to the 5th?  ;-) > > ~August > LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been > corrected for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s > who spell it Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… > I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… > Paula > Obviously having a very blonde day!!!!

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> Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun.

Hmmm Is that a blonde a day downloaded? Or in real life? Paula Giving Eddie a "hard" time…

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>>Yes, I agree.  A blonde a day is fun. > Hmmm > Is that a blonde a day downloaded? Or in real life? > Paula > Giving Eddie a "hard" time…

LOL! — http://home.earthlink.net/~goddessxena/index.htm http://www.unknownnews.net

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>                4th of July is here again. >Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the >declaration of Independence? >When was the last time you looked at the Declaration of Independence ?

When was the last time you looked at the signatures.     To start with the essay you posted has a few names spelled wrong–  But they don’t really matter- What matters is that the ‘history’ it portrays is just not true. No signers were killed by the British.   I have found no evidence that any signer was pursued because he signed the Declaration.   [Richard Stockton was probably imprisoned because he was in Congress, but he was released in a couple weeks when he signed a copy of 'Howe's Declaration'.   All of the others who were captured were military prisoners of war & treated as such.] I go through it [and several other similar tales] line by line on my site. [look under the 'Harvey' link for that one] http://home.nycap.rr.com/elbrecht/signers/signerindex.html . There is an accurate essay at http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/BG1451.cfm . Snopes debunks the same version at http://tinyurl.com/fnm4 . Jim

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Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but I hope all you American’s have fun! When I was a very young 20 (sigh) I flew to the States for my first trip, and was being driven from the airport to where I was going to be staying in San Diego…suddenly, all around us, fireworks started going off. I had no idea it was 4th July, or even what 4th July was! I kinda half thought the fireworks were either for me <grin> or something that happened every night! Paula

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"Paula" wrote … > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but

Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July right over to the 5th?  ;-) ~August

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> "Paula" wrote … > Interesting stuff Paul – no 4th of July here but > Very interesting.  You mean your calendar goes from the 3rd of the July > right over to the 5th?  ;-) > ~August

LOL August. What is this, pick on Paula day? I have already been corrected for the way I spelled Philippino (well, do you American’s who spell it Filipino also spell phone as fone LOL)… I meant we don’t celebrate the holiday here… Paula Obviously having a very blonde day!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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                4th of July is here again. Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the declaration of Independence? When was the last time you looked at the Declaration of Independence ? I keep a little red booklet close at hand, near my chair in the family room — it contains the The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States along with the Amendments thereto — just in case I feel like refreshing my memory or checking on something that comes over the news networks that doesn’t sound quite right !  If you’ve never noticed or paid much attention to it, at the very end of the Declaration is a powerful statement made by these signers, and which usually isn’t mentioned or ever given much fanfare — but which I consider to be the most important statement made by them in the entire Declaration — it goes like this:     "— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free!

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Categories: Europe Travel

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Are there still some airlines which allow 32kg (70lbs) on flights within europe? Or are they all restricted to 20kg now?

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> Are there still some airlines which allow 32kg (70lbs) on flights within > europe? Or are they all restricted to 20kg now?

See http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bagchk/public/en_gb JohnT

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In other words, that depends on on one’s each point of departure and point of arrival. So… The factors involved here are not only the airliners, but instead it also included the airports.

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Thanks. I wanted to pass by europe on my way from north america to australia (which does allow me 32kgs..), but I just see I wont be able to make any inter-european flights with the same baggage and on new tickets…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In other words, that depends on on one’s each point of departure and > point of arrival. > So… The factors involved here are not only the airliners, but instead > it also included the airports.

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>Thanks. I wanted to pass by europe on my way from north >america to australia (which does allow me 32kgs..), but >I just see I wont be able to make any inter-european >flights with the same baggage and on new tickets…

Find a left luggage for the heavy stuff while you make your side trips.

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> Thanks. I wanted to pass by europe on my way from north america to > australia (which does allow me 32kgs..), but I just see I wont be > able to make any inter-european flights with the same baggage and on > new tickets…

I believe the IATA weight limit applies to cross pacific travel. If it was a RTW trip originating in australia and via US and coming back around through europe, you MIGHT be OK, but that’s not guaranteed. ant

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>> Thanks. I wanted to pass by europe on my way from north > america to australia (which does allow me 32kgs..), but > I just see I wont be able to make any inter-european > flights with the same baggage and on new tickets… > Find a left luggage for the heavy stuff while you make > your side trips.

If you are a member of HI, some of the gateway hostels offer a luggage room service and it’s very reasonable indeed. I left a bag of stuff at Vancouver downtown hostel for 6 weeks, cost me all of 5 bucks some years back. ant

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks. I wanted to pass by europe on my way from north america to >australia (which does allow me 32kgs..), but I just see I wont be >able to make any inter-european flights with the same baggage and on >new tickets… > I believe the IATA weight limit applies to cross pacific travel. If it was a > RTW trip originating in australia and via US and coming back around through > europe, you MIGHT be OK, but that’s not guaranteed. > ant

Flights to & from North America across either ocean get the higher limit.  It also applies to other flights on the same ticket.

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Dominik schrieb: > Are there still some airlines which allow 32kg (70lbs) on flights within > europe? Or are they all restricted to 20kg now?

SU allows 30 kg in coach and 40 kg in business. Well, I guess 40 kg should be divided into more than one piece of luggage. Regards, ULF

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Categories: Europe Travel

Question:

Hi all, Having to go to Sydney from Montreal, I got stuck with the idea of doing a circle – with the only requirement being I’d want to stop in Europe, and keep on going east. Unfortunately either I see shady specials (2000 U$) with no details avaliable to my travel agent, or regular RTW tickets which are above 4000 U$.. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks a lot! Dominik

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> Hi all, > Having to go to Sydney from Montreal, I got stuck with the idea of doing a > circle – with the only requirement being I’d want to stop in Europe, and > keep on going east. Unfortunately either I see shady specials (2000 U$) > with no details avaliable to my travel agent, or regular RTW tickets which > are above 4000 U$.. > Any suggestions on where to look? > Thanks a lot! > Dominik

Can’t understand your comment about shady specials with no detail – suggest you give your travel agent the flick and get a better one.  You can see the sort of packages that are available on the following Australian website:  http://tinyurl.com/55ckl Regards David Bennetts Australia

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Agreed! >> > There was a malfunction.  It could not be assessed properly. >> How do you know, fukwit? >> Bertie > I’m discussing what was reported.  "fuckwit"??  Are we running out of > rational responses here? > Nope, you’re not worht a rational response. You are not discussing what > happened, you are gossiping over tabloid bullshit.

Then how ’bout you tell me the true story then?  I’m listening.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines. the worst part was being stuck in manchester.

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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1499342,00.html > Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA

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> There seems to be quite an industry over there in churning out stories > that the 380 must be a failure because Buffalo dung, Idaho, > International Airport isn’t going to upgrade it’s facilities to cater > for the aircraft!

I wonder if deep down, it isn’t just a feeling  that the US airlines just aren’t strong or big enough anymore to buy the latest and greatest. Even if one believes the logic of high frequency on smaller planes, it still makes the US airlines look much smaller than they are because they don’t fly the big airplanes. (except for NW and UA that still have a couple of 747s). Seeing an eagle soar is far more impressive than seing a flock of mosquitoes.Collectively, the mosquitoes may carry the same amount of blood as the eagle, but the eagle is far more impressive and a sign of health and power. Same with Air Canada which is downsizing its aircraft. It no longer has anything that is impressive. And now, at Canadian airports, it is the strong foreign carriers who bring in the impressive metal.  In Canada, we are used to seing other countries as being more powerful, but in the USA, that is a feeling that is foreign to americans, but now it is startiung to sink in as they will see more and more foerign carriers with the big impressive metal, able to justify those planes, whereas their own carriers will fly the small unimpressive metal. In the end though, people in smaller cities will still prefer the smaller planes and avoid the big cities for transfers. So you have folks like "devil" who prefers 767s out of Calgary instead of flying bigger aircraft out of Toronto since Toronto is such an unpleasant plane to go through. But Torontonians doN’t know better and just go to their big white elephant to take the plane, and to them whether it is a 320, 767, 747 or 380 won’t make that much of a big difference in terms of airport experience. Because in the end, 767s and above, once you’re at your seat, it really is the airline that dicates your flight’s enjoyability, not the plane itself. Overhead vents is airline decision, Entertainment and food is airline’s decision. Number of toilets per passenger is also roughly an airline decision.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Indeed it’s an attitude problem. You don’t hear airport managers at > Heathrow, Dubai, Changi, wringing their hands saying oh dear its too > difficult for us, they see there is demand from their customers, >In fact, Heathrow sees the 380 as the cheapest option to grow passenger >numbers with the least amount of infrastructure development. >Increasing airport capacity can be a very expensive and lengthy process. > Whether you pay to accomodate the A380, or you increase number of gates >by 35%, you still have to grow luggage carrousels, check-in areas etc >etc because in the end, if the airport is to grow, it needs to >accomodate more passengers. The A380 allows this to happen with fewer >flights, thus much less congestion airside. >And consider that IF they can turn around a 380 in rougly the same >amount of time as a 747, it means that you can increase throughput by >35% compared to a 747 without increasing gate occupancy, and the same >gate then then process other flights. >So the money you spend upgrading a terminal to handle the A380 in fact >goes a lot further than if you were to spend it to handle more 767 or >777 planes.

Absolutely, for airports like LHR the 380 is the most attractive form of growth, and along with Changi and others, it is all about investing for the future, purely good business sense. For the passenger there is also going to be the advantage that with dedicated 380 gates there will be consitent high quality service levels at the airports. Those arriving on smaller aircraft will still find they could end up at a remote gate with bus transfers, as happens all too often at LHR, FRA, CDG, SYD, and others. –==++AJC++==–

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> Indeed it’s an attitude problem. You don’t hear airport managers at > Heathrow, Dubai, Changi, wringing their hands saying oh dear its too > difficult for us, they see there is demand from their customers,

In fact, Heathrow sees the 380 as the cheapest option to grow passenger numbers with the least amount of infrastructure development. Increasing airport capacity can be a very expensive and lengthy process.  Whether you pay to accomodate the A380, or you increase number of gates by 35%, you still have to grow luggage carrousels, check-in areas etc etc because in the end, if the airport is to grow, it needs to accomodate more passengers. The A380 allows this to happen with fewer flights, thus much less congestion airside. And consider that IF they can turn around a 380 in rougly the same amount of time as a 747, it means that you can increase throughput by 35% compared to a 747 without increasing gate occupancy, and the same gate then then process other flights. So the money you spend upgrading a terminal to handle the A380 in fact goes a lot further than if you were to spend it to handle more 767 or 777 planes.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "It is one thing to build a really, really big airplane. It is quite > another > to find a place for it to land. U.S. airports from Seattle to Atlanta say > accommodating Airbus’s new superjumbo A380 in anything other than > an emergency would require major construction." > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/02/15/bt.airbus.airports.ap/index.html > Looks like Airbus forgot to do its homework.  The 380 may only fly > in the USA at airports that service the Asian market and other specific > international markets: SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA, maybe ORD.  FedEx > may pay for improvements to its corporate home base airport for cargo. >Atlanta(blandest hole I have ever had the misfortune to visit btw) >and Seattle won’t accomodate the A380, hence Airbus didn’t >do their homework? How about Savannah and Deep Shit, GA?

Ah yes, Atlanta. Overcrowded, low quality hub of a run down airline teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and gateway to a dreary provincial city. I’ve had the unpleasant experiences of arriving at, departing from, and transferring at ATL, and of having to spend time in the most depressing city. >That’s the funniest thing I have read in a long time. The A380 was built >for major international hubs. All the airports that serve this market >have the necessary changes underway to accomodate the big bird. >As much as some people in the us want to see the demise of the A380, >the A380 was never designed and does not depend on the us market.

There seems to be quite an industry over there in churning out stories that the 380 must be a failure because Buffalo dung, Idaho, International Airport isn’t going to upgrade it’s facilities to cater for the aircraft! –==++AJC++==–

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>Er… It’s driven by politics, business has nothing to do with it >(other than soft bribery and so on). Just like the building of Tier One >(SpaceShip One and White Knight) was driven by politics (to defame the >government and so on) and not business sense. >If Airbus is let to do things on their own, I doubt that they would >even want to build the A380.

You need to get out more. It is driven by a need for extra capacity on busy routes, extra capacity at busy airports, and massive growth in certain areas. >Anyway. The same group people who supported the Boeing 747 is now >currently supporting the Airbus A380.

No, they are mostly dead now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The problem is that, will they be willing to support the Airbus all the >way? >Or did they just pretend to support Airbus and dropped the support >midway in order to weaken Airbus and take over it? >Just imagine if the airliners, airports, and so on that ordered and >supported the A380 suddenly face some ‘difficulties’ and have to remove >the A380 out of their agenda. >As for the airport accomodation. >Well… Building a gate that is capable of handling twice the normal >capacity is NOT the same as building a bi-level gate that is capable of >handling a bi-level / double decker airliner! >No, it wouldn’t be like what happened in the 60’s and the 70’s when the >Boeing 747 was introduced.

Indeed it wouldn’t. The leap from the 707/DC8/V10 to the 747 was far greater than the step up from the 744 to the 380. >Remember that there are reasons on why the early concepts of the Boeing >747 being a double decker airliner were rejected in the 60’s.

Yes the 747 as it was, almost doubled capacity, any more would have been way too much to cope with in one go. >And also remember that people are more horizontally oriented than >vertically oriented. People are already quite confuse enough on which >aisle they should take, can you imagine on how confuse they are to know >on which level they should take? >And so on.

Yes, and so on with more of your fantasy problems. There will be none of this mystery confusion of yours, passengers will get a gate number as they do now, they will go to that gate as they do now, they will board as they do now, crew will indicate where to go on board as they do now. Where is the confusion? Passengers are not going to have to decide which level they take, I’ve never seen anyone confused at Schiphol at the 2 level gates that have been in operation there for several years, have you? It is already well planned, that airports will either have gate lounges on separate levels, and passengers will board directly to the level on which they will be seated through 2 or 3 air bridges, or they will board through 2 doors on the lower level, with one leading directly to the staircase to the upper level. Of course this has been explained to you before, but you can’t seem to accept it. –==++AJC++==–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "It is one thing to build a really, really big airplane. It is quite another > to find a place for it to land. U.S. airports from Seattle to Atlanta say > accommodating Airbus’s new superjumbo A380 in anything other than > an emergency would require major construction." > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/02/15/bt.airbus.airports.ap/index.html > Looks like Airbus forgot to do its homework.  The 380 may only fly > in the USA at airports that service the Asian market and other specific > international markets: SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA, maybe ORD.  FedEx > may pay for improvements to its corporate home base airport for cargo. > Casey >I can’t speak to the widening of runways, being in the architecture >business and not in civil engineering, but it doesn’t seem to me like >major reconstruction would be necessary to the terminal buildings to >accomodate an A380. >In fact, it seems like it’d be strikingly easy to do.  All they’d need >to do is redesign the passenger boarding bridges.  Design for the end of >them to be able to rotate a full 180 degrees and go high enough to reach >the upper deck of an A380.  Then work it out so that the A380 can >straddle two gates at an existing terminal.  One gate deplanes and >boards the lower deck of the aircraft; the other the upper deck.  (Of >course the new bridges could rotate back around and drop down for use >with other aircraft). >Doing this would logically accommodate the wingspan of the A380 but it’d >  also mean less crowded terminal gates – a concern raised in the >Washington Post: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9900-2004Dec18?language=pri… >Moreover, it’d mean faster boarding times, because effectively you’d be >boarding two single deck planes with 275 to 400 seats, rather than one >double decker with 550 to 800 seats.  Most of all, however, I think it’s >safe to assume that the cost a pair or two pairs of new passenger >boarding bridges would be much cheaper than a whole new airport >terminal, which is what all of the airport managers seem to be talking >about.

Indeed it’s an attitude problem. You don’t hear airport managers at Heathrow, Dubai, Changi, wringing their hands saying oh dear its too difficult for us, they see there is demand from their customers, the airlines, they see the potential for generating extra revenue from the increase in passenger numbers, and they do what all good businesses do, they find a solution to meet their customers needs, and keep them happy. –==++AJC++==–

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>spamfree says… > The 380 will be > financially sound for a few years building Asian market planes. > Then we’ll see how long the demand lasts, without the largest air > market in the world. >Hmmm. May I humbly suggest that Asia isn’t quite the poverty-stricken >backwater with a limited future you imagine it to be?

ROTFLMAO. Yes, some people are going to have a nasty shock in a few years time aren’t they? –==++AJC++==–

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spamfree says… > The 380 will be > financially sound for a few years building Asian market planes. > Then we’ll see how long the demand lasts, without the largest air > market in the world.

Hmmm. May I humbly suggest that Asia isn’t quite the poverty-stricken backwater with a limited future you imagine it to be?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In fact, it seems like it’d be strikingly easy to do. >No problem.  All it takes is money: lots of it.  What all of you are >forgetting is how airports are expanded.  If a runway needs to be >extended, there are environmental studies that must be completed. >No matter which side you fall on environmental issues, the reality >is that these studies take many years and lots of money to complete. >There is a good reason why there is no highway running through >San Francisco (well, maybe not a good reason, but a real, eco-one). >Expanding Chicago is an ongoing soap opera and it will be the same >at any airport. >The other reason everyone ignores is Airbus manufacturing.  If they >don’t sell many planes, they won’t be able to keep a good number >of assembly areas going.  That is what killed a few McDonnell- >Douglas and Boeing planes in the last ten years.  The 380 will be >financially sound for a few years building Asian market planes. >Then we’ll see how long the demand lasts, without the largest air >market in the world. >Casey

Sigh. I assume that last comment is meant to refer to the US market. A market in decline, a market riddled with poorly managed, financially insecure airlines. The A380 is designed for the markets that are growing, the markets that are already needing the extra capacity, the markets that will continue to grow at a phenomenal rate for years to come. The 380 doesn’t need to sell to the (nearly) bankrupt US carriers, it needs to sell to successful, expanding carriers with a future like EK, SQ, MH, QF. It doesn’t need to be able to land at every provincial airport in the US, it needs to be able to land at Heathrow, Dubai, Singapore, Shanghai, Sydney, Los Angeles. –==++AJC++==–

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Griswold, Jr. says… > Furthermore, while Airbus likes to point out that the A380 is roughly the same > length as a B747, they don’t dwell on the fact that outboard engines are > significantly further outboard, driving a requirement for wider taxiways. The > weight is also significantly greater, so runways that are marginal for a 747 may > not accomodate an A380.

The wings are 15m longer than a B747’s, so they might interfere with operations on nearby runways and taxiways. Worst case would be two of these things passing wingtip to wingtip.

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> In fact, it seems like it’d be strikingly easy to do.

No problem.  All it takes is money: lots of it.  What all of you are forgetting is how airports are expanded.  If a runway needs to be extended, there are environmental studies that must be completed. No matter which side you fall on environmental issues, the reality is that these studies take many years and lots of money to complete. There is a good reason why there is no highway running through San Francisco (well, maybe not a good reason, but a real, eco-one). Expanding Chicago is an ongoing soap opera and it will be the same at any airport. The other reason everyone ignores is Airbus manufacturing.  If they don’t sell many planes, they won’t be able to keep a good number of assembly areas going.  That is what killed a few McDonnell- Douglas and Boeing planes in the last ten years.  The 380 will be financially sound for a few years building Asian market planes. Then we’ll see how long the demand lasts, without the largest air market in the world. Casey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > "It is one thing to build a really, really big airplane. It is quite another > to find a place for it to land. U.S. airports from Seattle to Atlanta say > accommodating Airbus’s new superjumbo A380 in anything other than > an emergency would require major construction." > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/02/15/bt.airbus.airports.ap/index.html > Looks like Airbus forgot to do its homework.  The 380 may only fly > in the USA at airports that service the Asian market and other specific > international markets: SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA, maybe ORD.  FedEx > may pay for improvements to its corporate home base airport for cargo. > Casey

I can’t speak to the widening of runways, being in the architecture business and not in civil engineering, but it doesn’t seem to me like major reconstruction would be necessary to the terminal buildings to accomodate an A380. In fact, it seems like it’d be strikingly easy to do.  All they’d need to do is redesign the passenger boarding bridges.  Design for the end of them to be able to rotate a full 180 degrees and go high enough to reach the upper deck of an A380.  Then work it out so that the A380 can straddle two gates at an existing terminal.  One gate deplanes and boards the lower deck of the aircraft; the other the upper deck.  (Of course the new bridges could rotate back around and drop down for use with other aircraft). Doing this would logically accommodate the wingspan of the A380 but it’d   also mean less crowded terminal gates – a concern raised in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9900-2004Dec18?language=pri… Moreover, it’d mean faster boarding times, because effectively you’d be boarding two single deck planes with 275 to 400 seats, rather than one double decker with 550 to 800 seats.  Most of all, however, I think it’s safe to assume that the cost a pair or two pairs of new passenger boarding bridges would be much cheaper than a whole new airport terminal, which is what all of the airport managers seem to be talking about.

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> That said, there’s well less than a handful of airports in the US that will see > scheduled A380 service in the next decade.

Initially New York and Los Angeles (and Montreal in Canada). Later on, I can see Chicago and San Francisco in USA and Vancouver in Canada. Other cities just aren’t big or strategic enough for foreign airlines to run such a beast to it. Delta may balk at the big planes, but it is part of Skyteam, and if Air France can offer to operate a 380 flight where the per seat costs to Delta will be less, how could Delta refuse ? If the market betwene Paris and Atlanta warrants 555 seats per day, why not ? On the other hand, if there is no competition on the ATL-CDG run, then Delta would have no incentive to code share with its partner on a more efficient aircraft and Delta would want to split the market between AF and DL metal, both on smaller planes.

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>Not every runway in the USA is capable of handling a 747. In fact, some >can’t handle CRJs and this is why Dash-8s are used.

Furthermore, while Airbus likes to point out that the A380 is roughly the same length as a B747, they don’t dwell on the fact that outboard engines are significantly further outboard, driving a requirement for wider taxiways. The weight is also significantly greater, so runways that are marginal for a 747 may not accomodate an A380. That said, there’s well less than a handful of airports in the US that will see scheduled A380 service in the next decade.

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> Then all they have to do is get all these airports to pay to reinforce > their runways just for them and to build two story high gates to load > and unload them–just for them.  And wait until there’s and emergency > and they try to get 800 passengers all out at once.

Not every runway in the USA is capable of handling a 747. In fact, some can’t handle CRJs and this is why Dash-8s are used. Lets say Northwest were to buy A380s. Lets say that Minneapolis were more opened to accomodating 380s than Seattle. Northwest would then move flights from Seattle to Minneapolis to run its 380 flights from there. Seattle would lose traffic and thus revenus. In the end, that is how it will work. Airlines that have enough demand to fill the 380 on a city pair will find ways to convince the target airports to handle the 380. And since such cities are likely to be congested already, chances are that the airport may find it easier to simply upgrade facilities than to have to build extra runways to handle more flights. A 380 allows roughly a 35% increase in passenger carried over a 747 on a single flight.  A congested airport would prefer adapting to the 380 rather than seing a 35% increase in number of 747 flights.

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> Anyway. The same group people who supported the Boeing 747 is now > currently supporting the Airbus A380.

Airlines, by the look of it. I think Airbus has picked a winner.

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> Anyway. The same group people who supported the Boeing 747 is now > currently supporting the Airbus A380.

Juan Trippe of PanAm was the major supporter of the 747, the launch customer, and his airline flew the first revenue flight with the plane. Neither Juan Trippe, nor his airline, are still in existence. British Airways (BOAC) was also an early customer, and they haven’t yet ordered the A-380. > The problem is that, will they be willing to support the Airbus all the > way? > Or did they just pretend to support Airbus and dropped the support > midway in order to weaken Airbus and take over it?

They are firm orders.  If they don’t follow through, there are big financial penalties. > Well… Building a gate that is capable of handling twice the normal > capacity is NOT the same as building a bi-level gate that is capable of > handling a bi-level / double decker airliner!

In the first place, the A380 only handles 35 percent more passengers, not double.  In the second, bi-level gates would not be a major problem.  In Amsterdam, as an example, they now use two entries for existing 747s.  You enter the ramp from one gate, and the flow is divided part way to the plane.  One goes to the front entrance, and the other passes up and over the wing to the rear entrance.  It would be fairly easy to direct it to the upper level instead. > And also remember that people are more horizontally oriented than > vertically oriented. People are already quite confuse enough on which > aisle they should take, can you imagine on how confuse they are to know > on which level they should take?

They aren’t confused about the double entrances in Amsterdam. It is not an issue.

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> As much as some people in the us want to see the demise of the A380, > the A380 was never designed and does not depend on the us market.

It wouldn’t fly. US passengers want frequent flights so they can pick a convenient time, and they want smaller aircraft so they don’t spend a lot of time waiting to board and deplane. I think the major complaint now is security inspection times, which can be pretty horrendous. The A380 will be hugely successful on long haul ops around the world including flights to and from the USA, I’m thinking. If those figures for economy are correct, then it would give current B747 operators an incentive to buy A380s and give passengers a bit more room on the same sectors for the same cost, thereby resulting in happier customers and more business.

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Er… It’s driven by politics, business has nothing to do with it (other than soft bribery and so on). Just like the building of Tier One (SpaceShip One and White Knight) was driven by politics (to defame the government and so on) and not business sense. If Airbus is let to do things on their own, I doubt that they would even want to build the A380. Anyway. The same group people who supported the Boeing 747 is now currently supporting the Airbus A380. The problem is that, will they be willing to support the Airbus all the way? Or did they just pretend to support Airbus and dropped the support midway in order to weaken Airbus and take over it? Just imagine if the airliners, airports, and so on that ordered and supported the A380 suddenly face some ‘difficulties’ and have to remove the A380 out of their agenda. As for the airport accomodation. Well… Building a gate that is capable of handling twice the normal capacity is NOT the same as building a bi-level gate that is capable of handling a bi-level / double decker airliner! No, it wouldn’t be like what happened in the 60’s and the 70’s when the Boeing 747 was introduced. Remember that there are reasons on why the early concepts of the Boeing 747 being a double decker airliner were rejected in the 60’s. And also remember that people are more horizontally oriented than vertically oriented. People are already quite confuse enough on which aisle they should take, can you imagine on how confuse they are to know on which level they should take? And so on. Not to say that double deckers won’t have their places. There are double decker trains, buses, and so on. Personally, I see the future of bigger airliner is more aisles (three aisles and so on) and preferably multiple jetways connected to both sides (left and right) of the airliner. This kind of airliner can be accomodate much easier by airports around the world than a double decker airport. On the other hand, the Airbus A380F seems to be fine with me. Though it’s too bad that it doesn’t have a nose that can be opened, or maybe it should have tail that can be opened?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"It is one thing to build a really, really big airplane. It is quite another >to find a place for it to land. U.S. airports from Seattle to Atlanta say >accommodating Airbus’s new superjumbo A380 in anything other than >an emergency would require major construction." >http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/02/15/bt.airbus.airports.ap/index.html >Looks like Airbus forgot to do its homework.  The 380 may only fly >in the USA at airports that service the Asian market and other specific >international markets: SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA, maybe ORD.  FedEx >may pay for improvements to its corporate home base airport for cargo. >Casey >No, Airbus didn’t forget to do it’s homework, you just don’t >understand the market for the 380. Other US airports are not relevant, >why do you think they would be? They are not the target market for the >380, it is designed for, and will be operated on routes within Asia, >and from Asia to major cities in Europe, North America, and Australia. >These are the routes that already have strong growth, and will >experience even stronger growth in the future. >–==++AJC++==–

Then all they have to do is get all these airports to pay to reinforce their runways just for them and to build two story high gates to load and unload them–just for them.  And wait until there’s and emergency and they try to get 800 passengers all out at once.

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> Then all they have to do is get all these airports to pay to reinforce > their runways just for them and to build two story high gates to load > and unload them–just for them.  And wait until there’s and emergency > and they try to get 800 passengers all out at once.

<shrug> The same airports that did all that stuff for the B747 a generation ago will happily do the same for the A380. If they want the business. It’s a commercial thing.

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> "It is one thing to build a really, really big airplane. It is quite > another > to find a place for it to land. U.S. airports from Seattle to Atlanta say > accommodating Airbus’s new superjumbo A380 in anything other than > an emergency would require major construction." > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/02/15/bt.airbus.airports.ap/index.html > Looks like Airbus forgot to do its homework.  The 380 may only fly > in the USA at airports that service the Asian market and other specific > international markets: SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA, maybe ORD.  FedEx > may pay for improvements to its corporate home base airport for cargo.

Atlanta(blandest hole I have ever had the misfortune to visit btw) and Seattle won’t accomodate the A380, hence Airbus didn’t do their homework? How about Savannah and Deep Shit, GA? That’s the funniest thing I have read in a long time. The A380 was built for major international hubs. All the airports that serve this market have the necessary changes underway to accomodate the big bird. As much as some people in the us want to see the demise of the A380, the A380 was never designed and does not depend on the us market.

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I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. Any suggestions? Thanks, Marco

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> I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for > a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Marco

    Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you when you are out of the country.  Even when they have very restricted providers while in your home area and the area they cover, they usually provide coverage when you are out of the country. — Joseph Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

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>> I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for > a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Marco >    Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you when you >are out of the country.  Even when they have very restricted providers while >in your home area and the area they cover, they usually provide coverage >when you are out of the country.

But you usually have to pay out-of=pocket and turn in the bills for reimbursement, since out-of-country providers are unlikely to bill directly. Still, med care is a lot cheaper other places, and a credit card should cover it nicely. In my case, I’m on Medicare, which doesn’t pay anything at all for out-of-country medical care, but my supplemental plan does.     *       Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow         *     * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for >> a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks, >> Marco >    Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you when you >are out of the country.  Even when they have very restricted providers while >in your home area and the area they cover, they usually provide coverage >when you are out of the country. > But you usually have to pay out-of=pocket and turn in the bills > for reimbursement, since out-of-country providers are unlikely to > bill directly. > Still, med care is a lot cheaper other places, and a credit card > should cover it nicely.

I’m aware that this may not cover the need of the OP, but in the UK, emergency medical coverage is free to anyone, regardless of their status in the UK. You should be charged if you went to see an NHS doctor, but even that is not certain. There are also walk-in centres in towns and cities, which are not likely to charge. — David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o’ th’ barn"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for > >> a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. > >> Any suggestions? > >> Thanks, > >> Marco > >    Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you when > > you > >are out of the country.  Even when they have very restricted providers > >while > >in your home area and the area they cover, they usually provide coverage > >when you are out of the country. > But you usually have to pay out-of=pocket and turn in the bills > for reimbursement, since out-of-country providers are unlikely to > bill directly. > Still, med care is a lot cheaper other places, and a credit card > should cover it nicely. > I’m aware that this may not cover the need of the OP, but in the UK, > emergency medical coverage is free to anyone, regardless of their status > in the UK. You should be charged if you went to see an NHS doctor, but > even that is not certain. There are also walk-in centres in towns and > cities, which are not likely to charge.

But only treatment in the Accident and Emergency Dept of a hospital (or walk-in centre). If you are subsequently admitted into a ward (say a coronary care after a heart attack), any treatment and care will be chargeable. A new system has come in recently (Apr 04) which makes it almost certain that any NHS hospital will ask for payment (though not upfront) or insurance details. Different rules apply to EU/EEA citizens and those nationals with reciprocal agreement (e.g Australians, NZers, Russians). Alec

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > "chancellor of the duchy of besses o’ th’ barn" [] > I’m aware that this may not cover the need of the OP, but in the UK, > emergency medical coverage is free to anyone, regardless of their status > in the UK. You should be charged if you went to see an NHS doctor, but > even that is not certain. There are also walk-in centres in towns and > cities, which are not likely to charge. > But only treatment in the Accident and Emergency Dept of a hospital (or > walk-in centre). If you are subsequently admitted into a ward (say a > coronary care after a heart attack), any treatment and care will be > chargeable. A new system has come in recently (Apr 04) which makes it almost > certain that any NHS hospital will ask for payment (though not upfront) or > insurance details. Different rules apply to EU/EEA citizens and those > nationals with reciprocal agreement (e.g Australians, NZers, Russians).

The US doesn’t have such agreements, of course. In the unlikely event of that happening (most people visiting the UK for two months don’t get admitted to a ward) there is not much of a mechanism in place for the NHS to pursue payment. In a private hospital, they would be more accustomed to it. — David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

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I have American Express’s travel medical policy which covers   me for anything my primary coverage does not, anywhere more than 100 miles from home.  (Since neither Medicare nor my Blue Cross supplement cover me in Europe, that means everything, when I’m abroad.)  It’s an annual premium (which varies according to age) but I’m over 65 and pay $136 a year for coverage up to $100,000, which I think is pretty good. I’ve had occasion to use it twice, and the reimbursement check arrived almost by return mail, once I sent in the documentation (explanation of the situation, plus copies of the receipted bills from physician and pharmacy). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for > a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Marco

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>>I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for >a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. >Any suggestions? >Thanks, >Marco >     Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you when you > are out of the country.  Even when they have very restricted providers while > in your home area and the area they cover, they usually provide coverage > when you are out of the country.

Depends upon age – Medicare will not cover you overseas, nor will many Medicare supplements.  (Mine does not, although I’ve been told some do.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I am looking for a good travel medical insurance provider for >> a US citizen who is going to spend two months in the UK. >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks, >> Marco >     Check with your current medical insurance.  Many will cover you > when you are out of the country.  Even when they have very > restricted providers while in your home area and the area they > cover, they usually provide coverage when you are out of the country. > Depends upon age – Medicare will not cover you overseas, nor > will many Medicare supplements.  (Mine does not, although > I’ve been told some do.)

    That is why I suggested they check their insurance.  Mine does and I am retired.  Not everyone is as lucky as I to have this coverage. — Joseph Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

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Toronto Star 12 Feb A Detroit couple who went to Cuba for religious purposes on a medical missionary trip were fined %5,230-. The judge ruled they could have got a permit. Apparently 1000’s of permits are issued each year. The couple believed the U.S. would not enforce the ban.

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as well they should have been fined…..

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A great example of country of freedom:) They (Mr Bush and alikes) will tell you where to go and where to spend your hard earned money. What to see and what not to see. Is that a freedeom? I have lived in eastern Europe for several years and there was more freedom than any US citizen can expect today from his/hers own goverment. Just think about how everyone is controlled in US? And the new RFID passports coming in? Walter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A great example of country of freedom:) They (Mr Bush and alikes) will tell > you where to go and where to spend your hard earned money. What to see and > what not to see. Is that a freedeom? I have lived in eastern Europe for > several years and there was more freedom than any US citizen can expect > today from his/hers own goverment. Just think about how everyone is > controlled in US? And the new RFID passports coming in? > Walter. >as well they should have been fined…..

  Viewed from Europe the U.S. travel ban seems absurd. Cuba is a major tourist destination. T.

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One of the misconceptions of the US policy toward Cuba is that most Americans agree with it. I don’t and I would love to visit Cuba. But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the "Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They are a very strong lobby.  They vote! As long as Cuba stays out of bounds for most Americans, the Cubans in the USA have special powers. Don’t blame G Bush.  The ban on travel goes back to JFK, L Johnson, Nixon, Clinton ….. And ultimately it goes back to a bunch of power mad Cubans.  They fled the country in 1959 and the ban on visiting is just one part of that history. Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba faster than you can say Havanna. So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Toronto Star 12 Feb > A Detroit couple who went to Cuba for religious purposes > on a medical missionary trip were fined %5,230-. > The judge ruled they could have got a permit. > Apparently 1000’s of permits are issued each year. > The couple believed the U.S. would not enforce the ban.

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> One of the misconceptions of the US policy toward Cuba is that most > Americans agree with it. > I don’t and I would love to visit Cuba. > Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some > Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba faster > than you can say Havanna.

Do you mean ‘Havana’  ? > So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth!

Geography or spelling homework ? H.

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Yo, howard the coward …. the spelling test is Tuesday.  plenty of time to study.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of the misconceptions of the US policy toward Cuba is that most > Americans agree with it. > I don’t and I would love to visit Cuba. > Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some > Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba > faster > than you can say Havanna. > Do you mean ‘Havana’  ? > So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth! > Geography or spelling homework ? > H.

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Ha–you’re both wrong; it’s "Habana"  :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yo, howard the coward …. > the spelling test is Tuesday.  plenty of time to study. >> One of the misconceptions of the US policy toward Cuba is that most >> Americans agree with it. >> I don’t and I would love to visit Cuba. >> Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some >> Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba >> faster >> than you can say Havanna. > Do you mean ‘Havana’  ? >> So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth! > Geography or spelling homework ? > H.

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<snip>. >Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some >Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba faster >than you can say Havanna. >So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth!

Amen, brother.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > One of the misconceptions of the US policy toward Cuba is that most > Americans agree with it. > I don’t and I would love to visit Cuba. > But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the > "Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They > are a very strong lobby.  They vote! > As long as Cuba stays out of bounds for most Americans, the Cubans in the > USA have special powers. > Don’t blame G Bush.  The ban on travel goes back to JFK, L Johnson, Nixon, > Clinton ….. > And ultimately it goes back to a bunch of power mad Cubans.  They fled the > country in 1959 and the ban on visiting is just one part of that history. > Let’s face it, if the ban on visiting Cuba is lifted the next time some > Cuban comes floating in on an innertube he/she will be back in Cuba faster > than you can say Havanna. > So, do your homework before opening your stupid mouth!

I have done my homework and been to Cuba too and you just try writing to your congressperson and read the result. BTW, if you do not think that dubya is part of the problem, maybe you should do your homework on campaign financing. If everyone wants results, write to your representatives, once a week by snail mail. JJ

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>But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the >"Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They >are a very strong lobby.  They vote!

Their voting numbers are way overstated.  What’s more true is that their elite (including former supporters of the fascist dictator Batista) makes huge political contributions.  And the politicos are hooked. It’s a self-sustaining industry. With that opposition, Castro can depend on a patriotic reflex from his oppressed population, i.e., "He’s a bastard but he’s OUR bastard!" Fifteen years ago, Castro should have turned his US$ reserves into purchases of US Treasury bonds.  For $1 Trillion, Beijing got DC off its back and there was even a Fortune 500-sponsored celebration of the 50th anniversary of Mao’s revolution in 1999! (-; gld

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> >But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the >"Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They >are a very strong lobby.  They vote! > Their voting numbers are way overstated.

They got Bush elected in 2000 !

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>Fifteen years ago, Castro should have turned his US$ reserves into >purchases of US Treasury bonds.  For $1 Trillion, Beijing got DC off >its back and there was even a Fortune 500-sponsored celebration >of the 50th anniversary of Mao’s revolution in 1999! (-;

Within 10 years, China will own the majority of the US. (i.e., be footing most of their national debt.  Tricky corner its deficit spending is painting them into.) — Ken Tough

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the >>"Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They >>are a very strong lobby.  They vote! >Their voting numbers are way overstated. > They got Bush elected in 2000 !

I thought the Supreme Court did that. Becca

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>>>>But, why is the policy in place in the first place?  It is because of the >>>"Cubans" in Florida.  They want their land, belongings, power back.  They >>>are a very strong lobby.  They vote! >>Their voting numbers are way overstated. > They got Bush elected in 2000 ! >I thought the Supreme Court did that.

But it took god to do it in 2004. — Ken Tough

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Ummm more freedom in eastern Europe ? Lol you must have lived in a western embassy Thanks anyway for the real people who really lived there in these times :-( ( – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A great example of country of freedom:) They (Mr Bush and alikes) will tell >you where to go and where to spend your hard earned money. What to see and >what not to see. Is that a freedeom? I have lived in eastern Europe for >several years and there was more freedom than any US citizen can expect >today from his/hers own goverment. Just think about how everyone is >controlled in US? And the new RFID passports coming in? > Walter. > as well they should have been fined…..

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> Ummm more freedom in eastern Europe ? > Lol you must have lived in a western embassy > Thanks anyway for the real people who really lived there in these times > :-( (

LOL, true. I  was traveling around in DDR about 20 years ago, and it was sad to see how people lived. Everybody had to work. They were not allowed to travel free around in the world. The goverment controlled what people should read in the newspapers and see on TV news. Really really bad. Not at all like US. LA

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Categories: Travel Czech

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> Sorry you are wrong.  No U.S. airline flies to Poland or any other Communist > Block countries of Eastern Europe.  The farthest east they go is Frankfurt.

What are you on about? Take your history lessons for the last 15 years!! Surreyman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only bad thing about the supposed holocaust is that they somehow > missed this skanky bitch. > How did Hitler manage to miss Susan when he was rounding up all the > venereal disease ridden whores for the gas chambers??? > Perhaps she won’t be so lucky next time around….. > Let’s all chip in and buy her a one way ticket to Auschwitz. > What airline flies there … LOT Polish? > PS … Is it true "she" is really a man??? > She will probably succumb to herpes, if that Rabbi got near her

snatch! Is that *all* you filthy muslim pigs ever think about? Susan

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There are no more Communist Block countries! And hate to tell YOU LaTana, but you are dead wrong: New York-Kennedy, NY (JFK) to Warsaw, Poland (WAW) United Airlines offers non-stop service and connecting service  USD $319.00 Earliest Travel: 10Feb05 Latest Travel: 12Feb05 American Airlines offers connecting service  USD $373.00 Northwest Airlines offers connecting service USD $373.00 Delta Air Lines offers connecting service USD $383.00 New York-Kennedy, NY (JFK) to Budapest, Hungary (BUD) Northwest Airlines offers non-stop service and connecting service  USD $341.00 New York-Kennedy, NY (JFK) to Prague, Czech Republic (PRG)

: >> The only bad thing about the supposed holocaust is that they somehow : >> missed this skanky bitch. : >> : >> How did Hitler manage to miss Susan when he was rounding up all the : >> venereal disease ridden whores for the gas chambers??? : >> : >> Perhaps she won’t be so lucky next time around….. : >> : >> Let’s all chip in and buy her a one way ticket to Auschwitz. : >> What airline flies there … LOT Polish? : >> : >> PS … Is it true "she" is really a man??? : > : > I looked it up and it doesn’t look like Lot Polish Airlines fly to : > Auschwitz.  Most likely you have to take American or Delta from New York : > to : > Warsaw and then take a train from there.  Or you could fly Lufthansa from : > JFK to Berlin and then by train or bus to Auschwitz. : : Sorry you are wrong.  No U.S. airline flies to Poland or any other Communist : Block countries of Eastern Europe.  The farthest east they go is Frankfurt. : :

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SHE WASN’T EVEN BORN THEN YOU FUCKING STIPID NAZI CUNT! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only bad thing about the supposed holocaust is that they somehow > missed this skanky bitch. > How did Hitler manage to miss Susan when he was rounding up all the > venereal disease ridden whores for the gas chambers??? > Perhaps she won’t be so lucky next time around….. > Let’s all chip in and buy her a one way ticket to Auschwitz. > What airline flies there … LOT Polish? > PS … Is it true "she" is really a man???

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I DO YOU UP YOURS, MUSLIM STYLE, IN A MINUTE. JUST BEND OVER AND FACE MECCA! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You are not even a real man, you are a cowardly internet NEO-NAZI! > AND  YOU CALL YOURSELF A MAN, GETTING IT UP YOUR CLACKER ?

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PLEASE EVERYONE NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A MESSAGE FROM R

Categories: Travel Germany

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Hi All: My son and two of his friends are planning a trip this summer to Germany. They know three kids that were exchange students with us that they are going to visit. My question, is about the timing of their flights. Is it cheaper to fly at certain times of the late spring or early summer? Any days better than others? They are planning on leaving at the end of May and returning about 4 – 6 weeks later. Also, are there travel agents that specialize in European travel? Any recommendations on purchasing air tickets is appreciated. Thanks for you help. Pat

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>>>>> Is it cheaper to fly at certain times of the late spring or early >>>> summer? Any days better than others? They are planning on leaving at >>>> the end of May and returning about 4 – 6 weeks later. Also, are there >>>> travel agents that specialize in European travel? Any recommendations >>>> on purchasing air tickets is appreciated. Thanks for you help. Pat

My experience is that airlines are cutting out the middlemen and that the best prices you can get are the standard listings at places like Orbitz, Travelocity, or the direct websites.  But since they are young people, you might also have a look at www.sta.com Also, last year I paid hundreds less than any other possible option by flying Kuwait Airways  Chicago-Amsterdam  ($538 in June).  Sometimes airlines with rare schedules (Singapore and Thai have had some low fares in past years from isolated airports on rare days) will sell seats at bargain rates–but only to major markets, and only if you are lucky.  I have found these fares readily quoted on major online engines like Orbitz, but if they fly Tuesdays, and you are checking fares for Wednesday, it may not be listed–so you have to try multiple options or a broad ‘flexible days’ type fare search.  Chances are, you are best off checking for Frankfurt–though you might want to keep Brussels or Amsterdam in mind as an airfare option too, depending on where in Germany they will be going. Leaving end of May is a good idea compared to leaving in June.  As far as days go, fares are sometimes roughly $25 higher each direction on Fridays, Saturdays, and/or Sundays. All travel agents will tell you that they specialize in European travel. Travel agents are in the unfortunate position of often having to charge for their services and add costs to tickets, but if you want the support and information travel agents can offer, then it may be worth it for you. There may, but may not necessarily, be a fare ’sale’ for late May.   My guess is that fares, as always, will fluctuate (sometimes just a little, sometimes with the odd real deal cropping up)–and an easy start is to set up a fare search function through Orbitz etc. that will e-mail you when a lower fare for your routes/dates becomes available.   But it’s still good to figure out what the current standard is for your dates,  keep checking those dates online on a regular basis, and book when you see something unusually good (I have friends who kept checking fares almost daily, and suddenly in March there was a $492 fare Chicago-Nice for JULY travel available for them –so they booked it immediately–that fare was completely out of the system by the afternoon, and nothing within HUNDREDS of that price ever showed up again for July travel last year–that fare never showed up on the automated fare-drop messenger system I ahd set up for those dates, either–they saved a FORTUNE on 4 tickets–but this was a real fare oddity). It can’t hurt to be lucky, but you won’t get lucky unless you start getting systematic and persistent.

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Good info. Thanks!

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Depending on where you are in the States a mid week direct flight into London, Birmingham or Manchester UK may be your best bet. Then you have a choice of "low cost" carriers like EasyJet, Ryanair to Germany book them on the web. Perhaps a more interseting alternative and one I have used is the Eurostar high speed train via the channel tunnel to Brussels – less than 3 hours from London with easy connections onto Cologne or Frankfurt in West Germany. You see far more than at 30000 feet. Regards Ian Coventry UK

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>>>>> Perhaps a more interseting alternative and one I have used is the >>>> Eurostar high speed train via the channel tunnel to Brussels – less >>>> than 3 hours from London with easy connections onto Cologne or >>>> Frankfurt in West Germany. You see far more than at 30000 feet.

The train is a LOT of fun too–a great experience that people that age will particularly enjoy.   It also has the benefit (versus using discount carriers within Europe) of no luggage restrictions.  Most discount carriers will limit you to 20 kilos (44 lbs.) checked luggage per person, and even the carry-on bags are generally limited to 7kg (16 lbs.).   The surcharges for extra weight can quickly multiply the cost of your air ticket if you pick up too many beer steins in Munich for the return.

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I am looking for travel agencies specialized in travel to Germany. Specifically, I am looking for a ticket from Chicago to Hamburg in August. If you have any suggestions, please e-mail to my Thanks! Serhan Dagtas

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> I am looking for travel agencies specialized in travel to Germany. > Specifically, I am looking for a ticket from Chicago to Hamburg > in August. If you have any suggestions, please e-mail to my > Thanks! > Serhan Dagtas

If you travel in weekdays (Mon-Thur) both ways, our best rate is $880 USD including all taxes on NW/KLM. Email your schedule and names of the passengers if interested. Barbara Amcan Travel,  travel agency on internet for netters http://www.halcyon.com/amcan/welcome.html (206) 781-1886

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> 1. Which city would be good to use as a base? (I am interested in > culture, history, scenery and "family-friendly" hotels, restaurants, > recreational facilities) > 2. Is driving a rental car a good idea? (I have heard scary things > about the hazards of driving on the autobahns) > 3. Is Neuschwanstein too overrun by tourists to be worth visiting? > What other sites in that part of Germany shouldn’t be missed?

For a firsttimer, I will also recommend the area between Koblenz and R